Did Allah give power to Qu’ranic Jesus?
Hatun asks why Jesus in the Qur’an has power just like Allah to create and give life? “Permission” is not the same as power. Surely Jesus must already have had power in order to exercise it?
Sura 5:110: “[The Day] when Allah will say, “O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, “This is not but obvious magic.”
Frankly speaking doesn’t matter whether Allah has given ‘the Quranic’ Jesus power or not , in my personal opinion Quran is an AntiChrist book the main thing we need to prove about Quran is its defect and contradiction.
Just wanna comment on the statement by the terrorist looking guy wearing dark glasses, it’s either he is deceptive or ignorant because he accused Bible for stating that the power is given to Jesus , this is cunning twist from what the bible really said in Matthew 28:18 ; “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. ” It’s clearly he missed the words ALL POWER , IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.
It’s ONLY GOD who has ALL POWER in heaven and earth , the quotation of the terrorist looking guy when being really read in the bible UNEDITED is actually confirming Lord Jesus as God.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: it’s either he is deceptive or ignorant because he accused Bible for stating that the power is given to Jesus , this is cunning twist from what the bible really said in Matthew 28:18 ; “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, ALL POWER is given unto me IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH. ” It’s clearly he missed the words ALL POWER , IN HEAVEN AND IN EARTH.”
That’s a classic stupidity of an amateurish debater. Jesus as well as other believers were given *all* power of everything via Faith, but not the permission to exert it.
For example, in Mk 5:6 there’s a scene where with their lack of faith, Jesus is unable to do miracles except healing a few of Jews in his hometown:
Mt 17:20
And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.
– Jesus can’t grant a request in his name:
Mt 20:23
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
– Jesus can’t do miracles except healing a few of ailing ones without Faith.
Mk 6:5
And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.
Indeed, similarly, Jesus can’t force Peter to walk steadily upon the sea’s water (due to Peter’s lack of Faith) and he can’t force 11 disciples to know what they can’t bear to know.
Mt 14:31
And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
Jesus the Word can’t explain things using the words?
Jn 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
Also it needs a lot of time and effort more than 2,000 years and still counting on for Jesus to just prepare a place in God’s mansions for his 11 disciples.
Jn 14
2 In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
I just wonder , do @Anonymous and @grace is somehow related ? or are you lovers perhaps ? or maybe the same person ? u both are so ‘cute’ spamming around taking multiple spaces when what you all need is to be EFFICIENT not to repeat the same non-sense through more than one reply section. But i will answer you again by the way,
@grace
You said [ Jesus as well as other believers were given *ALL* power of everything via Faith, but not the permission to exert it ]
By stating Jesus and believers were given ALL POWER then certainly u have committed SHIRK , because as i RE-EDUCATE you about Islam, in true Islam ONLY ALLAH who has ALL POWER , thank you for showing how in order to defense Islam you have to be OUT OF ISLAM or BE A MUSHRIK because Islam in itself is INDEFENSIBLE.
You said [ Jesus can’t grant a request in His name ] and added by some quotation from bible verse [.. is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father…]
If you had mind for talking time to read the verse before ( verse 20-23) and not to be so emotional you should’ve aware that Jesus SPECIFICALLY wasn’t granting the selfish request of His disciples concerning the position in heaven. Some matters are in the concern of the Father
I think you are a Sunnis right ? So i expect you to admit that Quran is EQUAL with Allah , now based on that perspective and be put in comparison ,
Can UNCREATED Quran GRANT you the position in after life ? of course NOT but UNCREATED QURAN CAN BE YOUR INTERCESSOR since as followers of SUNNAH you also have to confess that according to your prophet’s own mouth , he stated that the ETERNAL UNCREATED Quran WILL BE YOUR INTERCESSOR in the day of judgment IN THE SHAPE OF A PALE MAN , do you agree ? or do you dare to question the SUNNAH of your darling prophet ?
You said [ Jesus can’t do miracles except healing a few of ailing ones without Faith.
Mk 6:5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. ]
So in that case do you mean Allah will help those who DON’T HAVE FAITH ???
You are literally DENYING THE CORE CONCEPT OF EEMAN ( Muslims’s Faith )! REPENT O’ YOU MUSHRIKEEN !
@Anonymous
You said [ Indeed, similarly, Jesus can’t force Peter ]
So in that case are you also DENYING THE POWER AND SOVEREIGNTY OF ALLAH since Allah COULD NOT FORCE ABU THALIB ( Uncle of Muhammad The PERVERT) to become Muslim ?
You are surely a mushrik..REPENT O” MUSHRIKEEN !
–You said [ Jesus the Word can’t explain things using the words? ]
Let me turn the table for you putting the same standard on your precious Quran and Hadiths :
So Quran CAN’T EXPLAIN –How to Do Shalah, Wudhu– using ITS VERSES ?
Since Sahih Bukhari is NOT WORD OF Allah, So Allah Can’t EXPLAIN –How many times Rak’aa should be conducted– using His OWN WORDS ?
You are destroying your own religion when you AIM those kind of mindset at your own religion !
I think without your knowing , Allah has intentionally misguided you my friend, you certainly have a MUSHRIK mentality.
— You said [ Also it needs a lot of time and effort more than 2,000 years and still counting on for Jesus to just prepare a place in God’s mansions for his 11 disciples ]
So what is the use for praying Shalah Nariyah then ? ” Allahumma salli salaatan kaamilatan wasallim salaaman taamman ‘ala sayyidina muhammadin alladhi(allathi in some prose) tan’hil bihi il uq’ad· watatafarrij bih il karb· wataq’dhi bih il hawaa’ij· wa tanaal bih ir raghaa’ib· wa hasan al khawaayitam wa yastasq il ghamaam bi wajhih il kareem wa ‘ala ‘aalihi wa sah’bihi fee kulli lamhatin wa nafs”
TRANSLATION : O Allaah, send perfect blessings and complete peace upon our master Muhammad by virtue of whom [as some of them say] all OBSTACLES ARE REMOVED, DISTRESS IS RELIEVED, needs are met, desires are fulfilled and A GOOD END MAY BE ACHIEVED and by virtue of whose noble face clouds may be sent, and [send blessings and peace] upon his family and companions with every breath and glance.
Let me turn the table and use your MUSHRIK mindset :
As a muslim please carefully ponder this after around 1400 years Allah is still unable to grant His most beloved prophet COMPLETE REMOVAL OF OBSTACLE and DISTRESS, and moreover Allah is so IMPOTENT that Allah still needs the prayer of muslims in order to bless Muhammad so Muhammad MAY ACHIEVE A GOOD END meaning until this very day Muhammad is STILL IN DISTRESS and NOT HAVING A PEACEFUL GOOD END.
By your own standard actually you have DENIED Islam in your way of thinking. REPENT O’ YOU MUSHRIKEEN !
Cheers 🙂
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I just wonder , do @Anonymous and @grace is somehow related ? or are you lovers perhaps ? or maybe the same person ? u both are so ‘cute’ spamming around taking multiple spaces when what you all need is to be EFFICIENT not to repeat the same non-sense through more than one reply section. ”
Myself is Muslim. I think Anonymous is Unitarian.
“By stating Jesus and believers were given ALL POWER then certainly u have committed SHIRK , because as i RE-EDUCATE you about Islam, in true Islam ONLY ALLAH who has ALL POWER”
Shirk? No, no, no…You are so darnly paranoid about what you think you know of, but actually you are just misguided so poorly by your own ignorance.
You don’t know what “human” is actually? Read Quran 31:20 how we the humans are superior, exalted highly, given all things by Allah, but not necessarily able to exert our will on them:
Quran 31:20. Have you not seen that Allah has subjected to your service all that is in the heavens and on the earth and has abundantly bestowed upon you all His bounties, both visible and invisible? Yet some persons dispute regarding Allah without having any knowledge or guidance or any enlightening Book.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: If you had mind for talking time to read the verse before ( verse 20-23) and not to be so emotional you should’ve aware that Jesus SPECIFICALLY wasn’t granting the selfish request of His disciples concerning the position in heaven. Some matters are in the concern of the Father”
It contradicts the meaning of “all” in all known dictionaries. Lest Jesus lied, he should have said “almost all”.
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: I think you are a Sunnis right ?”
Yes. That’s correct.
“So i expect you to admit that Quran is EQUAL with Allah , now based on that perspective and be put in comparison , Can UNCREATED Quran GRANT you the position in after life ?”
Quran in a form of a “pale man” will try to reduce our Purgatorial pains, that’s all.
It will not have any access to bring anyone to Heaven, not even itself (in a form of pale man).
“of course NOT but UNCREATED QURAN CAN BE YOUR INTERCESSOR since as followers of SUNNAH you also have to confess that according to your prophet’s own mouth , he stated that the ETERNAL UNCREATED Quran WILL BE YOUR INTERCESSOR in the day of judgment IN THE SHAPE OF A PALE MAN , do you agree ? or do you dare to question the SUNNAH of your darling prophet ?”
You don’t get a memo from Wahhabis or your local clerics that the Shafa’a from anyone will just reduce the pain and interval in Purgatory for the Monotheists, but not have any access to Heaven?
Even, shockingly, they can’t bring themselves into Heaven at all, even not by their own Shafa’a, not even by the gathering Shafa’as of all angels, saints and Prophets.
“So in that case do you mean Allah will help those who DON’T HAVE FAITH ??? You are literally DENYING THE CORE CONCEPT OF EEMAN ( Muslims’s Faith )”
Indeed, Allah reduces the hellish pain of both Abu Lahab and Abu Talib due to their pagan’s righteousness to our Prophet Muhammad (especially at time when he was not yet a Prophet).
“So in that case are you also DENYING THE POWER AND SOVEREIGNTY OF ALLAH since Allah COULD NOT FORCE ABU THALIB ( Uncle of Muhammad The PERVERT) to become Muslim ?”
But at least Allah is capable enough to reduce the hellish pains of those righteous pagans.
“So Quran CAN’T EXPLAIN –How to Do Shalah, Wudhu– using ITS VERSES ?”
You should have immediately realised a core of Islamic theology that none of the daily, monthly, annually rites is able to grant a Heaven for anyone in Islam. But the rite does reduce a lot the Purgatorial pains.
“Since Sahih Bukhari is NOT WORD OF Allah, So Allah Can’t EXPLAIN –How many times Rak’aa should be conducted– using His OWN WORDS ?”
Rite is meant just to reduce the Purgatorial interval.
A jot of Monotheism is a key to enter the Heaven by God’s mercy.
“So what is the use for praying Shalah Nariyah then ? ” Allahumma salli salaatan kaamilatan wasallim salaaman taamman ‘ala sayyidina muhammadin alladhi(allathi in some prose) tan’hil bihi il uq’ad· watatafarrij bih il karb· wataq’dhi bih il hawaa’ij· wa tanaal bih ir raghaa’ib· wa hasan al khawaayitam wa yastasq il ghamaam bi wajhih il kareem wa ‘ala ‘aalihi wa sah’bihi fee kulli lamhatin wa nafs” TRANSLATION : O Allaah, send perfect blessings and complete peace upon our master Muhammad by virtue of whom [as some of them say] all OBSTACLES ARE REMOVED, DISTRESS IS RELIEVED, needs are met, desires are fulfilled and A GOOD END MAY BE ACHIEVED and by virtue of whose noble face clouds may be sent, and [send blessings and peace] upon his family and companions with every breath and glance.”
Rite is just meant to reduce the pains in life and Purgatory.
“Let me turn the table and use your MUSHRIK mindset : As a muslim please carefully ponder this after around 1400 years Allah is still unable to grant His most beloved prophet COMPLETE REMOVAL OF OBSTACLE and DISTRESS, and moreover Allah is so IMPOTENT that Allah still needs the prayer of muslims in order to bless Muhammad so Muhammad MAY ACHIEVE A GOOD END meaning until this very day Muhammad is STILL IN DISTRESS and NOT HAVING A PEACEFUL GOOD END.”
For us Muslims, that is a beautiful euphemism. So long as one has not enter the Heaven after death, his soul is yet in a state of imperfect happiness.
Again , why use so many replying sections mate ? could just effectively hold on to one ?
[ Quran 31:20. Have you not seen that Allah has subjected to your service ALL that is in the heavens and on the earth and has abundantly bestowed upon you all His bounties, both visible and invisible? Yet some persons dispute regarding Allah without having any knowledge or guidance or any enlightening Book ]
Does this word ‘ALL’ include TIME also ? since as far as i know only The One that holds the title The First ( al-Awl) and The Last (Al-Akhr) that worthy to have POWER OVER TIME .
Jesus Himself pronounces,
Rev 1: 8 , 17-18 : (8)I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty..(17-18) Do not be afraid. I am THE FIRST and THE LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades and Rev 22:13, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
You are a mushreek to claim everyone can just have power over TIME and call themselves al-Awl & al-Akhr
[ It contradicts the meaning of “all” in all known dictionaries. Lest Jesus lied, he should have said “almost all”.] Incorrect ! PERMISSION is different with HAVING POWER
Jesus doesn’t need permission to be as He is as the al-Awl and al-Akhr .
Who is more powerful Allah or His Word ? Can universe be in existence by Allah’s Word only without any of Allah’s permission ?
[ Quran in a form of a “pale man” will try to reduce our Purgatorial pains, that’s all ] Since Allah and His Word is ONE are you saying this ‘pale man’ is ONE WITH ALLAH ?
[ Indeed, Allah reduces the hellish pain of both Abu Lahab and Abu Talib ]
1. How do you for sure without any doubt affirm that their ‘torture’ would be lessened , have you take some trip to hell ?
2. Your not answering my question, It’s either Allah HELPED or Allah DIDN’T .
[ But at least Allah is capable enough to reduce the hellish pains of those righteous pagans.] by using the word AT LEAST , you’re actually confirming that Allah DIDN’T HELP those who are not believe.
[You should have immediately realised ] You should have immediately realized my question is about the Quran how in itself it can’t tell more information and needs Hadith in order to give more required rules of Allah. Since Sahih Bukhari is NOT WORD OF Allah, So Allah Can’t EXPLAIN –How many times Rak’aa should be conducted– using His OWN WORDS
[ For us Muslims, that is a beautiful euphemism. So long as one has not enter the Heaven after death, his soul is yet in a state of imperfect happiness. ] hahahaha… just tell me that you are joking mate
Allah is so IMPOTENT that Allah still needs the prayer of muslims in order to bless Muhammad so Muhammad MAY ACHIEVE A GOOD END which means til today Muhammad still needs the prayer of his followers so he won’t go lunatic .
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: Again , why use so many replying sections mate ? could just effectively hold on to one ?”
Oftentimes the good arguments and newly ideas come up at various moments, you know.
“Does this word ‘ALL’ include TIME also ? since as far as i know only The One that holds the title The First ( al-Awl) and The Last (Al-Akhr) that worthy to have POWER OVER TIME .”
No, Time is not creation.
Time has existed before, and outside of, both the heavens and earth.
The first “created thing” in Genesis 1:1-2 is the light. If Jesus is light, he is created.
“Jesus Himself pronounces, Rev 1: 8 , 17-18 : (8)I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty..(17-18) Do not be afraid. I am THE FIRST and THE LAST. I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades and Rev 22:13, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.”
I will borrow the Unitarian understanding on this.
Unitarians explain a simple pattern noticeable in both Rev 1:8 and Rev 21:6 how God Almighty uses two words “beginning” (arche) and “ending” (telos) for the limitless Alpha and limitless Omega. Rev 1:8 and Rev 21:6 talk about the untraceable Alpha and the forever Omega. On other hand, in Rev 1:11 and Rev 22:13 the verses use two words “first” (protos) and “last” (eschatos), signifying the world and sequence of creations, such as Mt 19:30 where it is stated that “many” first ones (many alphas) become last ones (many omegas) including Jesus.
Thus, Rev 1:11 and Rev 22:13 talk about a limited Alpha and a limited Omega.
Don’t forget that the Hebrew and Aramaic letters started from Aleph (not alpha), and ended at Tav (not omega).
“You are a mushreek to claim everyone can just have power over TIME and call themselves al-Awl & al-Akhr”
The light is created as the first thing, but being the “First” it doesn’t mean stupidly that it created itself.
“Jesus doesn’t need permission to be as He is as the al-Awl and al-Akhr .”
Is Jesus the First as a created light?
The first “created thing” in Genesis 1:1-2 is the light. If Jesus is light, he is created.
[ No, Time is not creation. Time has existed before, and outside of, both the heavens and earth ]
So TIME is equal with Allah then ? is this another of your personal heretical theory like Jibreel is the consort of Mary ? can you defend islam without using some weird ideas just poppin’ on your head ?
[I will borrow the Unitarian understanding on this] So now you are renouncing your muslims identity perhaps ? hahahaha… I will never so desperately use Ahmadi or Shia to counter Sunnis , this is just so hilarious.
[ a limited Alpha and a limited Omega ] I think you yourself should be puzzled by this weird theory , if you wanna believe that Jesus is an archangel SECOND to God and GREATER than Muhammad hey, it’s your call . I think Unitarian should suit you at least there are no Unitarian terrorists.
[ The light is created as the first thing, but being the “First” it doesn’t mean stupidly that it created itself ] It is you who mention about this light thing , so only stupid misguided people like you and the Unitarian who think The FIRST as in Revelation and Al-Awl (Asmaul Husna) also means Firstly Created.
[ Is Jesus the First as a created light? The first “created thing” in Genesis 1:1-2 is the light. If Jesus is light, he is created ] Are you sober enough mate ? it seems you’ve mistakenly identified me as Unitarian ?
“Jesus is Muhammad’s God says: So TIME is equal with Allah then ? is this another of your personal heretical theory like Jibreel is the consort of Mary ? can you defend islam without using some weird ideas just poppin’ on your head ?”
Time is just attribute, so it can never be equal with the living God.
“So now you are renouncing your muslims identity perhaps ? I will never so desperately use Ahmadi or Shia to counter Sunnis , this is just so hilarious.”
Using and re-using the monotheistic argument of Ahl Kitabs is encouraged by Quran 10:94 to prove Monotheism without following their rites.
“I think you yourself should be puzzled by this weird theory , if you wanna believe that Jesus is an archangel SECOND to God”
Please try a bit to refute that Unitarian’s strong argument. You can’t.
[ Time is just attribute, so it can never be equal with the living God ] But is Allah ABOVE TIME or LIVE WITH TIME ?
[ Using and re-using.. blah.blah..blah ] meaning you are desperate can’t answer my argument then you have to use Unitarian , a heretic belief that BOTH of us doesn’t believe in . It’s totally different when I use The Wahhabist because Wahhabist is still your fellow brother , unless you declare Imam Hanbali is a HERETIC.
[ Please try a bit to refute that Unitarian’s strong argument..blah..blah ] debating on something that BOTH of us consider as heretical is practically a way of turning ourselves into an idiot i think you should’ve been aware of that.