Dawah team puts Islamic prophet under the bus!
This is the full discussion with Ijaz of the Dawah team (split into a series of shorter videos if you prefer, also available on this channel.)
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On Sallu: The same old question has been once asked by the Jews, and Allah has answered it via Moses. Sallu of Allah is different and incomparable to any creation’s Sallu. Allah’s Sallu is not a praying, it is a “statement” of Mercy, not as act of imploring to.
Ibn Asakir, Ahadith Al-Qudsiyyah, Hadith 216:
The Israelites said to Musa: Does your Lord do salli? Musa said: Fear Allah, O sons of Israel. Allah said: O Musa, What did your people say? Musa said: O my Lord, You already know, they said: Does your Lord do salli? Allah said: Tell them My salli for My servants is that My Mercy should precede My Anger. If it were not so, I would have destroyed them.
On Sallu, Allah says to Moses, “Tell them”, but if Christian apologists refuse to hear the answer, which is “My Mercy should precede My Anger”, it is not their ears that were shut, but hearts.
God sends down his Son so that you have to “hate” everyone, you are full of hateful feelings, even hating your brothers before being a Christian.
The sending down of a “full Hatred” from Heaven in Christianity?
Lk 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
– Hatred of all in Luke 14:26 is made unbelievably as a preliminary requirement “before” becoming a Christian (being a Christ disciple).
Jesus clearly uses the word “Hate”, not “Love less”.
On other hand, in Islam, there’s no requirement whatsoever to hate anyone, let alone to love less, for a person “before” becoming a Moslem. Also, in Q.5, v.5 a Moslem male can love and marry the women of Ahl Kitabs. In Hadith, Prophet Muhammad befriends Muqawqis of Christian Egypt.
Moreover, being truly opposite of Luke 14:26, in Q.31, v.15 one’s pagan family should be still respected and befriended after converting and becoming a devout Moslem. There’s no hatred involved.
Q.31, v.15. If they struggle against thou to commit idolatry of which thou have no knowledge, then do not obey them; however thou should still treat them kindly in this world.
Maududi, Tafhim al-Qur-an, Sura 66th.
The other lady, Hadrat Mariyah, had been presented to the Holy Prophet by Muqawqis, the ruler of Egypt, in A. H. 7 and she had borne him his son.
Holy Prophet sent to the rulers of the adjoining countries was addressed to the Roman Patriarch of Alexandria also, whom the Arabs called Muqawqis.
When Hatib bin Abi Balta took this letter to him, he did not embrace Islam but received him WELL, in reply wrote: I know that a Prophet is yet to rise, but I think he will appear in Syria.
– If the family Hatred in Luke 14:26 were to be directed “selectively” to a pagan family who is “enemy” of Jesus, still that way of sick hatred would have contradicted another Jesus’ Golden Rule: “Love thy enemy”.
There are apparently two contradictory Jesuses in Gospels, like 2 figures of Jeckyl and Hyde in one:
In Gospel of Matthew: Love thy enemy.
In Luke Gospel: Hate thy enemy, hate thy family and hate thy friends.
Jesus may be author of love and Golden Rule, except when he becomes so hateful without a reason of everyone.
– The family’s hatred in Luke 14:26 is a general commandment, without any exception nor any condition whatsoever, it is the full hatred without a cause.
Even each Christian man is commanded by Jesus to all-out hate his Christian family: his Christian parents, his Christian wife, his Christian kids, his Christian friends, before being truly a “real” Christian.
Perhaps, that’s a reason why certain Christians show their hateful attitude so much to Arabs.
– The family Hatred in Luke 14:26 can be far more devilish into a cruel extent of hating the brothers and friends (neighbors), thus it contradicts a royal Law “Love thy neighbors” and “Love thy brothers”.
– There are two major exceptions for Golden Rule:
(i) When a Christian happens to be a slaveowner, he is given the right to oppose the Golden Rule, per Luke 12:46-47, by exerting violence and inflicting physical abuses on his slaves, because they are his “properties”, thus it is including his wife and children.
Lk 12
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
(ii) When a Christian happens to be a member of the tyrannical rulers, he is given the right to oppose the Golden Rule, per Romans 13, by exerting terrors, vengeance, violence and death.
Rom 13
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
Luke 14:26 speaks of the level of commitment required to be a disciple. The language is not used as you interpret it. In fact, you seem to be unable to recognize figurative or metaphorical aspects of the English language. Having a heart of stone does not mean that the human heart is made from materials consistent with rocks. If you go back to verse 36 of the same chapter it will become clearer that this is a comparison of two different servants, one is faithful and one is not. The punishment will be meted out by the Lord, not people on earth and it is not intended to be a permission slip to play God in the earthly realm. All of the Disciples except one were murdered in horrible ways. If they loved their families or their lives more than the Lord, they would not have taken up the task of disciple. The only thing Christians can safely hate is sin.
Christians believe that the government, even if it is secular, Christian or heathen is under the direction of God. Martin Luther hated the Pope so much that he once said that he would prefer the rule of a wise Turk(Muslim) over the Pope of the Catholic Church. Still the Christian may withhold obedience to the government if the government causes the Christian to violate God’s laws.
You are missing the opportunity to imagine just how difficult it would be to maintain slavery if both master and slave were both Christian brothers. Old Testament slavery was nothing like Roman, Greek or Muslim slavery. Muslims are forced to perpetuate slavery and Christians will eventually become uncomfortable with it because of the Golden Rule and because all of fear of an ever watchful Lord.
I do enjoy reading your postings. I was in a rare mood today and decided to respond, knowing my efforts would be in vain.
Jesus is against a common silly belief among the Trinitarian circles that one’s ability of producing a wonder is a sign of Prophethood, in fact Jesus categorised the wonder-workers as ability and sign for the False Prophets:
Mk 13
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things.
If Paul were to be a Criterion of Prophethood, he must have made today’s four Gospels a bunch of his anathemas (corrupt Gospels) from the Satanic angels.
– As Paul rejects genealogy, he disqualifies both Gospels of Matthew (genealogy of Joseph) and Luke (genealogy of Mary supposedly), thus he must have anathematized both:
1Tim 1:4
Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.
Ti 3:9
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
– As Paul rejects any requirement of works – such as baptism – in order to be saved, he disqualifies Gospel of Mark that clearly mentions how Jesus sends his followers to baptise and get baptised, thus he must have anathematized it:
Mk 16:16
He that believeth and is *baptized* shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Versus:
Eph 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through Faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
1Cor 1:17
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
– As Paul dismisses the event of the first meeting between the resurrected Jesus and Mary Magdalene, he wholly disqualifies Gospel of John that clearly mentions the 1st meeting, thus he must have anathematized it:
1Cor 15
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
Also, as Paul believes in the Original Sin whereas Jesus in John’s Gospel rejects it in Jn 9:3, thus he disqualifies Gospel of John, and he must have anathematized it:
Jn 9:3
Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.
Versus:
Rom 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
John the Baptist never produced a public miracle, but he is a Prophet indeed. Yet, actually John has two hidden miracles, namely leaping alone when hearing a visitation of the pregnant Mary and hearing alone a sky’s voice when baptizing Jesus in Jordan, but those miracles weren’t shown to the Jews.
Christians can accept the simple ministry of baptism (Mikvah) by John as proof of Prophethood from Heaven, which is not a miracle at all actually, but it is weird how they find it too difficult to accept Qur’an delivered by Prophet Muhammad from Heaven.
Moreover, with Qur’an the powerful language of Arabic becomes a tool of Islamisation over Arabs Christians since 1,400 years ago till now. Arabs still have been using a sacred word “Allah” for God in Arabic speeches, literatures, and arts.
But the Greek language never becomes a tool of Christianisation in the West. Nor does the Hebrew become a Judaising tool in Palestine.
Some silly Arab polemicists use an evil word against “Allah” yet their Arabic Trinity says Al-Kalimat kana Allah (the Word is god).
Paul apparently has invented his own Gospel’s verse:
Did Paul have “another” Gospel as Col 4:10 tells? Well, interesting.
Col 4:10
Aristarchus my fellowprisoner saluteth you, and Marcus, sister’s son to Barnabas, touching whom ye received commandments: if he come unto you, receive him;
This important fact means a very bad news and additional troubles for the Christian belief in the Sola Scriptura, at least at four things:
(i) Today’s four canonical Gospels were insufficient, lacking and having many lost verses. Jesus’ commandment in Col 4:10 is no where available at and throughout today’s Gospels.
Why does Paul have it?
Where?
How?
When?
Who writes it?
To whom it is preserved?
(ii) It is possible that Jesus’ Commandment had appeared once at four canonical Gospels, but then the verse got omitted by the later callous scribes.
(iii) There is at least one lost Gospel or perhaps more, so Jesus failed, he can’t keep and preserve his own Scriptures. The Holy Spirit also failed.
(iv) Worse, Paul believes in at least one “other Gospel”, meaning that he gets cursed by his own “anathema”. Other possibility is, Paul receives at least one apocryphal or worse a “Gnostic” Gospel.
Is Jesus good?
Not really.
(i) In Lk 14:26 he demanded a new Christian to “hate” everyone, including brothers (against Golden Rule), before truly being his real follower.
Lk 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
(ii) Jesus let Lazarus die in sickness by refusing to visit and heal him.
Jn 11:37
And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?
(iii) Jesus approves slavery, torments, mutilations, and burning penalty.
Mt 18:34
And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mt 22:7
But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
Lk 12
46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.47 And that servant, which knew his lord’s will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Lk 17:2
It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
(iv) Thru Paul and John, Jesus approves the use of terrors:
Rev 2:27
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rom 13
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God’s ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
(v) Thru Peter. Jesus approves the use of death threats and killing:
Acts 5
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Why do the Jews call Mary the sister of Aaron?
It is because there’s an old Jewish custom (Hadith also mentions this reasoning) to name a newborn baby with the name of the old kindred (ancestor), such as the response of Jews when they hear Elizabeth to give of the name of “John”, in which the Jews question her with the historical fact how her kindred had no name “John” ever:
Lk 1:61
And they said unto her, There is none of thy kindred that is called by this name.
Elizabeth “prays” to Mary in the front of Mary, in order to get a blessing from her:
Lk 1
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. 45 And blessed is she (Elizabeth herself and other women) that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.
If Angel of the LORD who smote the Assyrians were Jesus, the same Angel of the Lord who smote Herod to death must have been the same Jesus as well:
2Ki 19:35
And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the LORD went out, and *smote* in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.
Similarity:
Acts 12:23
And immediately the angel of the Lord *smote* him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.
Limitation of Knowledge of the Son:
(i) Son knows only what is hidden in all “created things” at present (Jn 2:25, Jn 16:30, Jn 21:17), such as men’s hearts, but he has no knowledge of the higher knowledge of what’s hidden “in” God, such as the Hour and the future.
The Son and the human saints (he to whom the Son will reveal the Father) are given the knowledge about God, per Mt 11:27, Lk 10:22, Jn 10:15 surely, but not whatever “in” God.
…..That’s why Nobody of the human saint could possible know of the Hours, even though both they and the Son know of the Father already.
Mk 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no *Man*, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the *Son*, but the Father.
(ii) Paul also excludes both the Son and the human saints (even though they know of the Father too) from the ones knowing about the deep things “in” God:
1Cor 2:11
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no one, but the Spirit of God.
(iii) Jesus doesn’t know who exactly the future saints shall sit at his sides:
Mt 20:23
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.
Several inferior things the Son does which the Father doesn’t:
– Confessing (telling thing) to the Father:
The Son ought to confirm and report each believer to the Father, whereas the Father doesn’t feel it quite valuable or necessary to confess any believer before the Son.
Mt 10:32
Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
– Receiving knowledge of the Father:
Jesus’ knowledge of the Father is not inherent within himself, it is actually given to him from the Father. But the Father doesn’t need to receive the knowledge of the Son from the Son.
Mt 11:27
All things are delivered unto me of my Father, and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Jn 8:28
But as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
– Inheriting the things from the Father:
Jn 16:15
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
– Asking permission to the Father for employing the angels:
Mt 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
– Receiving the essential power of forgiving the sins thru his death (being a ransom), but not otherwise.
Jn 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Also, the Father is free to punish the sinners who refuse to forgive. But Jesus has no permission nor ability to punish them:
Mt 18:35
So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
– Coming down with glory of the others (but weirdly there’s no glory of Spirit).
The Son needs both the Father’s and angel’s glory for coming down, whereas the Father comes down alone with his own glory.
Lk 9:26
For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.