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Why in this digital age do the Trinitarians still employ such a silly weak primitive argument of debates by misusing John 8:58 to mislead the people with the uneducated interpretation?
Unitarians and Jews have many times argued with a more potent reason that actually John 8:58 is not a statement of divinity by Jesus. Do you know why?
(i) Because Jews don’t feel offended nor feel irritated at all when Jesus says “I am he” shortly at previous debate (Jn 8:28), and other occasions.
So saying “I am” is not a blasphemy.
– Jews don’t pick up any stone at all when hearing “I am” twice shortly before Jn 8:58. Isn’t it weird?
Jews just responded normally like nothing has happened when hearing a “supposed blasphemy” I am by Jesus. Where’s the stoning?
Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that *I am* he, ye shall die in your sins.
Jn 8:28
Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that *I am* he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
– Jews just respond by showing a bit surprise and by murmuring each other when hearing a “supposed blasphemy” I am by Jesus. Where’s the stoning?
Jn 6
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
– Jews just reacted calmly when arresting Jesus without picking up any stone at all when hearing a “supposed blasphemy” I am by Jesus. Where’s the stoning?
Jn 18:8
Jesus answered, I have told you that *I am* he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:
(ii) Why have Jews stoned Jesus in John 8:58? The more reasonable answer is: because they thought Jesus has mocked Abraham by claiming his longevity’s superiority, that Abraham has died whereas he’s still alive, or that he is more older than Abraham.
(iii) Jesus says Abraham sees his “day”, but not Jesus himself.
For comparison, both Daniel and John have seen the Antichrist during their time, but what they see is just the future “days” of the Antichrist thru visions, not the “real” Antichrist himself who had not yet been born.
Otherwise, does it mean the Antichrist also has a preexistence like that of Jesus? No.
(iv) Jesus says Abraham was “glad”, but he did not fall down worshiping him.
Where’s blasphemy or stoning for saying “I am”?
In John 7. In the Temple, under the witness of the Pharisees, Jesus uses openly a “supposed blasphemy” I am for himself, but they just reacted with a question on what he was talking about. Where’s the stoning?
Jn 7
28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence *I am*: and *I am* not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.34 Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where *I am*, thither ye cannot come.35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?36 What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me: and where *I am*, thither ye cannot come?
In John 10. In the Solomon Porch, under the witness of the Pharisees, Jesus uses openly a “supposed blasphemy” I am for himself, but they just reacted by mocking him as a devilish madman.
Where’s the stoning?
Jn 10
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, *I am* the door of the sheep.11 *I am* the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
A contradiction of John’s Gospel: Is Jesus’ sheep including the evil people?
Jesus will resurrect his sheep only:
Jn 10
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. 27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Jn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
Versus:
Jesus will resurrect those sinners who didn’t believe in him.
Jn 5
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man. 28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
1 (One) Qur’an is not many (plural) Arabic dialects:
Gabriel gives only 1 (One) Qur’an, not many Qur’ans by just having many Arabic dialects.
One Quran is enough, so dialects can’t be new Quran:
Muslim Book 4, Hadith 1789
Ubayy b. Ka’b reported that the Messenger of Allah was near the tank of Banu Ghifar that Gabriel came to him and said: Allah has commanded you to recite to your people the Qur’an in one dialect. Upon this he said: I ask from Allah pardon and forgiveness. My people are not capable of doing it. He then came for the second time and said: Allah has commanded you that you should recite the Qur’an to your people in two dialects. Upon this he (the Holy prophet) again said: I seek pardon and forgiveness from Allah, my people would not be able to do so. He (Gabriel) came for the third time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur’an to your people in three dialects. Upon this he said: I ask pardon and forgiveness from Allah. My people would not be able to do it. He then came to him for the fourth time and said: Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur’an to your people in seven dialects, and in whichever dialect they would recite, they would be right.
Several facts that Allah abrogates (or made the words forgotten) the Bible:
(i) Moses and Pharaoh would not have used Hebrew (language of slaves), but the lost “Ancient Egyptian” language.
Original Book of Genesis should not have been in Hebrew.
(ii) Moses and his wife alongside his family would not have used Hebrew, but the lost “Ancient Canaan-Phoenician” language.
Original Book of Exodus should not have been in fully Hebrew.
(iii) Gabriel would not have spoken using a Greek language to Mary during the Annunciation.
Original Book of Luke should not have been in Greek.
(iv) Jesus and Jews would not have spoken using a Greek language when using the ancient Aramaic at the same time.
Example of Aramaic: Talitha kum, Ephphatha, Abba, Raca, Mammon, Rabbuni, Maranatha, Eli Eli lema sabachthani, Jot and tittle, Korban, Sikera, Hosanna.
What is the meaning of abrogation in Qur’an?
(i) Several verses were *downgraded* to be so-called “Hadith Qudsi” or Hadith with such higher level.
Example: Hadith of suckling and stoning:
-Umar knows that he cannot *add* a Rajam (stoning) verse into Qur’an, so the penalty is downgraded into a similar level of Hadith Qudsi:
Jami at-Tirmidhi, Vol. 3, Book 15, Hadith 1431
‘Umar bin Al-Khattab said: The Messenger of Allah stoned, Abu Bakr stoned, and I stoned. If I didn’t dislike that *I add to the Book of Allah*, I would have written it in the Mushaf, for I fear that there will come a people and they will not find it in the Book of Allah, so they will disbelieve in it.
-Suckling was downgraded to a similar level of Hadith Qudsi:
Muwatta Malik, Book 30, Hadith 17
A’isha, the wife of the Prophet said, Amongst what was sent down of the Qur’an was ten known sucklings make haram – then it was abrogated by five known sucklings. When the Messenger of Allah died, it was what is now recited of the Qur’an. Yahya said that Malik said, One does not act on this.
(ii) Certain content of Hadith Qudsi was *derived* from separate verses of Qur’an:
Example:
Hadith Qudsi Hadith 2
On the authority of Abu Hurayrah, who said that the Messenger of Allah said: Allah Almighty has said: The son of Adam denied Me and he had no right to do so. And he reviled Me and he had no right to do so. As for his denying Me, it is his saying: He will not remake me as He made me at first – and the initial creation [of him] is no easier for Me than remaking him. As for his reviling Me, it is his saying: Allah has taken to Himself a son (Quran 2:116), while I am the One, the Everlasting Refuge. I begot not nor was I begotten, and there is none comparable to Me (Quran 112:1-4).
On idea of “Final Salvation”
The idea of “Final Salvation” is coined by John Piper.
John Piper, Does God Really Save Us by Faith Alone? Desiring God. September 25, 2017
Especially as it pertains to Final Salvation, so many of us live in a fog of confusion. James saw in his day those who were treating “Faith Alone” as a doctrine that claimed you could be justified by Faith which produced No good works. And he vehemently said “No” to such Faith (Alone).
Similar to an animal skin (or Lamb’s blood in Passover) that covered the nakedness of both Adam and Eve in Eden, the Faith just covers us from the death, but it can’t permit us to enter the Heaven. Both the Faith and the Good Works altogether make us enter the Heaven, thus Final Salvation is.
Faith just covers us from a sting of sins, i.e. spiritual death:
– Faith doesn’t give a Heaven as its gift.
Jn 5:25
Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
– Faith just brings us to a door of Paradise, not inside it:
Jn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
– Faith just brings us to pass more higher than a place of Purgatory, but not in Paradise yet:
Lk 18
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
(ii) The “Good Works” alongside the Faith make the believers enter a Paradise as “ones who overcome”:
Rev 2:7
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
– Rebuking the sinners is counted as a good work:
Lk 23
40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
– Jesus shall not know those Christians who do not have the good works:
Mt 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mt 25
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mt 25
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Lk 13
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
– Failure to do one point of the Law means committing the iniquity of violating all laws:
Jas 2:10
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
On Unitarian belief in adjective god :
In both the Hebrew and the Greek lexicons, the word “god” or “gods” (Elohim, Theos, I AM, Alpha Omega) has the unique adjective meaning as “divine” if the one to whom adjective is attributed doesn’t receive the religious service (Latreauo).
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not receive the sacred offerings.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not receive the people’s prayer to them.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not appoint any sacred holy place (such as Jerusalem temple, pillar of altars) dedicated for their own symbolic figure.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not regulate holidays (such as Lord’s days) dedicated to them.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not assign the rites (such as fasting and reciting a blessing before slaughtering animal for meat) in their name.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not set up any sacred object (such as the Ark, mercy seat) to symbolize their figure.
– Jesus, Moses, Jewish judges, Jewish kings, angels do not impose the death penalty for violation of services for them.
Several things which are not counted as Latreauo:
– Being a co-recipient of the assembly’s reverence, bowing down, and honor.
– Being called with God’s names, including Theos, I AM, Alpha Omega, and Elohim.
– Bearing other’s sins.
– Baptizing the people in own name.
– Swearing and doing things by own name.
– Giving a Forgiveness or retaining a pardon by own will.
– Performing miracles and Exorcising the devilish people by using own name.
– Receiving tithes.
– Sitting upon or standing at God’s throne.
– Having preexistence.
– Riding or sitting on the clouds.
The known Arabic Torah (in early Islam) has the Arabic name of “Allah” for Jewish God therein, instead of the Hebrew names such as Adonay or Yahweh or Jehovah. It is the only Arabic Torah which Prophet Muhammad has ever believed.
Thus, the Arabic Torah has different citations and missing verses which make it totally mismatched from today’s corrupted Masoretic Hebrew:
Bukhari Vol. 3, Book 34, Hadith 335
Narrated Ata bin Yasar: I met `Abdullah bin `Amr bin Al-`As and asked him, Tell me about the description of Allah’s Messenger which is mentioned in Torah (i.e. Old Testament.) He replied, Yes. By Allah, he is described in Torah with some of the qualities attributed to him in the Qur’an as follows:
O Prophet, We have sent you as a witness (for Allah’s True religion).
And a giver of glad tidings (to the faithful believers).
And a warner (to the unbelievers).
And guardian of the illiterates.
You are My slave and My messenger (i.e. Apostle).
I have named you Al-Mutawakkil (who depends upon Allah).
You are neither discourteous, harsh.
Nor a noisemaker in the markets.
And you do not do evil to those Who do evil to you, but you deal With them with forgiveness and kindness.
Allah will not let him (the Prophet) Die till he makes straight the crooked people by making them say: None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.
With which will be opened blind eyes And deaf ears and enveloped hearts.
Prophet Muhammad believed selectively in the Arabic Torah only (wherein the Arabic name of “Allah” is used), not in the corrupted Masoretic Hebrew:
Abi Dawud Book 39, Hadith 4434
Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah to Quff. So he visited them in their school. They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: *I believed in thee* and in Him Who revealed thee. He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought.
On Historicity of Islam.
The inscription of Zuhayr in region of Qa’ al-Mu’tadil at a distance of 17 km south of al-Hijr (northeastern Madinah) shows so clearly that Islam begins from areas of Makkah-Madinah, not from Petra in Jordan.
Early evidences of Islam:
(i) Prophet of Saracens who was pro-Christ.
Doctrine Jacobi (634 AD):
…And they were saying that the Prophet had appeared, coming with the Saracens, and that he was proclaiming the advent of the anointed one, the Christ who was to come….
(ii) Arabs of Muhammad.
Fragment on the Arab Conquests (634 AD):
On Friday, 4 February, [i.e., 634 CE / Dhul Qa‘dah 12 AH] at the ninth hour, there was a battle between the Romans and the Arabs of Muhammad in Palestine twelve miles east of Gaza.
(iii) date of the death of Umar bin Khattab in Madinah (Hijaz).
Zuhayr inscription at QaalMutadil, near Madinah (644 AD):
In the name of Allah, I Zuhayr, wrote (this) at the time ‘Umar died, year four, and twenty [644 AD].
(iv) Muhammad a descendant of Ishmael with path of truth recognizing God of Abraham.
Sebeos, Bishop of the Bagratunis (660 AD):
At that time a certain man from along those same sons of Ismael, whose name was Mahmet [i.e., Muhammad], a merchant, as if by God’s command appeared to them as a preacher [and] the path of truth. He taught them to recognize the God of Abraham, especially because he was learnt and informed in the history of Moses. Now because the command was from on high, at a single order they all came together in unity of religion. Abandoning their vain cults, they turned to the living God who had appeared to their father Abraham. So, Mahmet legislated for them: not to eat carrion, not to drink wine, not to speak falsely, and not to engage in fornication. He said: ‘With an oath God promised this land to Abraham and his seed after him for ever. And he brought about as he promised during that time while he loved Ismael. But now you are the sons of Abraham and God is accomplishing his promise to Abraham and his seed for you. Love sincerely only the God of Abraham, and go and seize the land which God gave to your father Abraham. No one will be able to resist you in battle, because God is with you.
John 1:18 is one of the most favorite verses of the Unitarians when debating the Trinitarians in the advanced level by analysing the key Greek word “Monogenes” that refers to the Generation and Subordination. If the Word were ontologically the same, or co-equal, or identical, with the Father’s nature, how is it possible for the Word to be seen, heard, handled, touched, approachable by the humans whereas the Father remains unseen and unapproachable?
In other words, if the Word were truly begotten (generated) ontologically from the Father’s bosom, an invisible Father can’t breed a visible Word.
Jn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Another term “Monogenes” for Generation and Subordination of the Word:
John 1:14 is another one of the most favorite verses of the Unitarians when debating the Trinitarians in the advanced level by analysing the key Greek word “Monogenes” that refers to the Generation and Subordination. If the Word were ontologically the same, or co-equal, or identical, with the Father’s nature, how is it possible for the Word to be seen, heard, handled, touched, approachable by the humans whereas the Father remains unseen and unapproachable?
In other words, if the Word were truly begotten (generated) ontologically from the Father’s bosom, an invisible Father can’t breed a visible Word.
Jn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
By using the word Monogenes, John contrasted two persons in the Trinity, how the Word differs so much from the Father, by using a simple explanation how the Word is a manifestation (that can be seen, heard, touched, approachable) of the “different” ontology of the Father who is unseen and unapproachable.
1Jn 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
In other words, if the Word were truly begotten (generated) ontologically from the Father’s nature, an invisible Father can’t breed a visible Word.
Monogenes in the Bible:
(i) John 1:14. How can the Word be *behold* if the Word were as co-equally and ontologically unseen as the Father?
Jn 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
(ii) John 1:18. How can the Word be able to *declare* the unseen Father if the Word were as co-equally and ontologically unseen as the Father?
Jn 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
(iii) 1John 4:9. How can the Word be able to *manifest* the Father if the Word were as co-equally and ontologically unseen as the Father?
1Jn 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Trinitarianism is not defendable without lies and tampering the contents of the Bible.
Names are not nature, a lot of things and people are named with God’s names:
Jehovah does share His name to creations:
(i) The Bible names many things by name “Jehovah”: Dabar Jehovah, Ruwach Jehovah, Chockmah Jehovah, including Malak Jehovah (human prophets and angels both).
(ii) Religious artifacts (which Abraham & other Jews made): Jehovah-yireh, Jehovah-nissi, Jehovah-shalom.
(iii) The holy ground: from Bochim, Jericho, Mount Zion, to Jerusalem overall: Jehovah-dzikenu.
(iv) Title of a mortal king: Jehovah-dzikenu.
(v) Horses’ bells: Qodesh-Jehovah.
The voice can be channeled thru inanimate things, such as the fire (burning bushes), the Ark, the soft voice in the windy fire (during time of Elijah), even the clouds (during Transfiguration) and thunder. That is not incarnation, it is not the indwelling of God bodily.
In the fire:
1Ki 19
12 And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. 13 And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave. And, behold, there came a voice unto him, and said, What doest thou here, Elijah? 14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away. 15 And the LORD said unto him, Go, return on thy way to the wilderness of Damascus: and when thou comest, anoint Hazael to be king over Syria:
In the Ark:
Jud 20
18 And the children of Israel arose, and went up to the house of God, and asked counsel of God, and said, Which of us shall go up first to the battle against the children of Benjamin? And the LORD said, Judah shall go up first. 26 Then all the children of Israel, and all the people, went up, and came unto the house of God, and wept, and sat there before the LORD, and fasted that day until even, and offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the LORD.27 And the children of Israel enquired of the LORD, for the ark of the covenant of God was there in those days,
In the cloud:
Mk 9:7
And there was a cloud that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.
House of God as well as angel can contain God’s name (but not His body), so name is not a reason for divinity.
2Chr 20:9
If, when evil cometh upon us, as the sword, judgment, or pestilence, or famine, we stand before this house, and in thy presence, for thy name is in this house, and cry unto thee in our affliction, then thou wilt hear and help.
2Chr 6:18
But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built,
Exo 23:21
Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.
Dhmmitude is a good happy thing in Medieval Ages, there’s no Pact of Omar:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishoyahb_III
The heretics are deceiving you [when they say] there happens what happens by order of the Arabs, which is certainly not the case. For the tayyaye mhaggre (Muhajir Arabs) do not aid those who say that God, Lord of all, suffered and died. And if by chance they do help them for whatever reason, you can inform the mhaggre (Mujahirs) and persuade them of this matter as it should be, if you care about it at all. So perform all things wisely, my brothers; give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.[2]
…..
As for the Arabs, to whom God has at this time given rule (shultana) over the world, you know well how they act towards us. Not only do they not oppose Christianity, but they praise our faith, honour the priests and saints of our Lord, and give aid to the churches and monasteries. Why then do your Mazonaye [Omanis] reject their faith on a pretext of theirs? And this when the Mazonaye themselves admit that the Arabs have not compelled them to abandon their faith, but only asked them to give up half of their possessions in order to keep their faith. Yet they forsook their faith, which is forever, and retained the half of their wealth, which is for a short time.[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Gabriel_of_Qartmin
Life of Gabriel of Qartmin is a Syriac 8th-century manuscript containing the life of Mor Gabriel, Bishop of Tur Abdin, which helps to provides a glimpse into the events in the Middle East during the 7th century.
The quote below provides an example of the Dhimmi agreements of Christians during the Arab conquests.
This lord Gabriel went to the ruler (ahid shultana) of the sons of Hagar, who was Umar bar Khattab, in the city of Gezirta. He (Umar) received him with great joy, and after a few days the blessed man petitioned this ruler and received his signature to the statutes and laws, orders and prohibitions, judgements and precepts pertaining to the Christians, to churches and monasteries, and to priests and deacons that they do not give the poll tax, and to monks that they be freed from any tax (madatta). Also that the wooden gong should not be banned and that they might chant hymns before the bier when it comes out from the house to be buried, together with many [other] customs. This governor (shallita) was pleased at the coming to him of the blessed man and this holy one returned to the monastery with great joy. (Gabriel of Qartmin, Life XII, 72 [p. 123])
Dhmmitude is a good happy thing in Medieval Ages, there’s no Pact of Omar:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishoyahb_III
The heretics are deceiving you [when they say] there happens what happens by order of the Arabs, which is certainly not the case. For the tayyaye mhaggre (Muhajir Arabs) do not aid those who say that God, Lord of all, suffered and died. And if by chance they do help them for whatever reason, you can inform the mhaggre (Mujahirs) and persuade them of this matter as it should be, if you care about it at all. So perform all things wisely, my brothers; give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.[2]
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As for the Arabs, to whom God has at this time given rule (shultana) over the world, you know well how they act towards us. Not only do they not oppose Christianity, but they praise our faith, honour the priests and saints of our Lord, and give aid to the churches and monasteries. Why then do your Mazonaye [Omanis] reject their faith on a pretext of theirs? And this when the Mazonaye themselves admit that the Arabs have not compelled them to abandon their faith, but only asked them to give up half of their possessions in order to keep their faith. Yet they forsook their faith, which is forever, and retained the half of their wealth, which is for a short time.[3]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Gabriel_of_Qartmin
Life of Gabriel of Qartmin is a Syriac 8th-century manuscript containing the life of Mor Gabriel, Bishop of Tur Abdin, which helps to provides a glimpse into the events in the Middle East during the 7th century.
The quote below provides an example of the Dhimmi agreements of Christians during the Arab conquests.
This lord Gabriel went to the ruler (ahid shultana) of the sons of Hagar, who was Umar bar Khattab, in the city of Gezirta. He (Umar) received him with great joy, and after a few days the blessed man petitioned this ruler and received his signature to the statutes and laws, orders and prohibitions, judgements and precepts pertaining to the Christians, to churches and monasteries, and to priests and deacons that they do not give the poll tax, and to monks that they be freed from any tax (madatta). Also that the wooden gong should not be banned and that they might chant hymns before the bier when it comes out from the house to be buried, together with many [other] customs. This governor (shallita) was pleased at the coming to him of the blessed man and this holy one returned to the monastery with great joy. (Gabriel of Qartmin, Life XII, 72 [p. 123])
Proofs of the Historicity of Prophet Muhammad and Islam from Sebeos, the Bishop of Bagratunis of Armenia in 660 AD:
(i) Prophet Muhammad lives in Arabia.
(ii) Prophet Muhammad lived at the same time of emperor Heraclius of Byzantine.
(iii) Prophet Muhammad was an Arab the descendant of Ishmael, son of Abraham.
(iv) Islam is the Way of Truth from God of the High.
(v) Islam approves Moses’ teachings.
(vi) Prophet Muhammad is a loving person, peaceful leader, he’s disliking the sins and the iniquities, believing in God’s promise to Israel previously, as well as God’s promise for Ishmael of His Promised Land.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebeos
Twelve peoples representing all the tribes of the Jews assembled at the city of Edessa. When they saw that the Persian troops had departed leaving the city in peace, they closed the gates and fortified themselves. They refused entry to troops of the Roman lordship. Thus Heraclius, emperor of the Byzantines, gave the order to besiege it. When the Jews realized that they could not militarily resist him, they promised to make peace. Opening the city gates, they went before him, and Heraclius ordered that they should go and stay in their own place. So they departed, taking the road through the desert to Tachkastan Arabia to the sons of Ishmael. The Jews called the Arabs to their aid and familiarized them with the relationship they had through the books of the Old Testament. Although the Arabs were convinced of their close relationship, they were unable to get a consensus from their multitude, for they were divided from each other by religion. In that period a certain one of them, a man of the sons of Ishmael named Mahmed, became prominent. A sermon about the Way of Truth, supposedly at God’s command, was revealed to them, and Mahmed taught them to recognize the God of Abraham, especially since he was informed and knowledgeable about Mosaic history. Because the command had come from on High, he ordered them all to assemble together and to unite in faith. Abandoning the reverence of vain things, they turned toward the living God, who had appeared to their father–Abraham. Mahmed legislated that they were not to eat carrion, not to drink wine, not to speak falsehoods, and not to commit adultery. He said: “God promised that country to Abraham and to his son after him, for eternity. And what had been promised was fulfilled during that time when God loved Israel. Now, however, you are the sons of Abraham, and God shall fulfill the promise made to Abraham and his son on you. Only love the God of Abraham, and go and take the country which God gave to your father Abraham. No one can successfully resist you in war, since God is with you.”
Is Jesus lying straightforwardly when saying he will come with the angels altogether, but the Book of Revelation says flatly “No”?
Apparently yes, Nowhere does Jesus come with angels in the Book of Revelation. It is a fact according to the Book of Revelation (Rev 14:1, Rev 19:14-19) the Lamb will just descend with the army of human saints, not with the angels.
Rev 14:1
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father’s name written in their foreheads.
Rev 19
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
Herein are the illustrative facts in the Book of Revelation:
– Jesus will not sit but just stands below the Throne, whereas 24 Elders sit on their seats.
– Jesus as the Lamb will not come down with the angels.
– Jesus will be a Groom for the “male” bridegrooms who didn’t get “defiled” by the women (as if women were a kind of filthy stuffs), so is this a typical version of “pearly boys” in Christian heaven?
– 2 Apocalyptic Prophets have a same “Preexistence” standing with God, similar like that of Jesus, so do they have divinity?
– 2 Apocalyptic Prophets will be authorized by Jesus to kill and burn down their enemies, are they Christians or Jihadis?
– 2 Apocalyptic Prophets will ride the cloud, ascending up to Heaven, so do they have divinity?
– One original Gospel will be revealed by Angel, so it is not today’s four “fake” Gospels, and interestingly it has many languages, not just Greek.
I don’t think Abraham has such a premeditated knowledge of the Christ. There’s no any clue whatsoever through the Torah – which is known very well by the Jews – that Abraham may have been informed about the existence of Christ in the future.
What Abraham sees is the vision of Exodus of the Jews after 4 generations, coming from a stranger land (Egypt), followed by a “moving rock” with the great substance of spiritual drinking, i.e. Christ. So, Abraham didn’t truly see a real Jesus yet, just a vision.
Along with Jesus, certainly Abraham also sees the important figures of Moses, Aaron, Caleb, Joshua, Pinchas, and other 4th generation of Jews who have “not” yet existed in reality, except in a vision. That sighting doesn’t mean that Moses has Preexistence or become more greater than Abraham.
Gen.15
14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again:
1Cor.10
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
There’s no consistency for the concept of Preexistence in the Trinitarianism. There’s concept of the Preexistence for the Christ (seen by pastime visions) but not for the Preexistence of Antichrist (also seen by the pastime visions), so it is something which is so absurd.
The Jews and Unitarians know better than the Trinitarians how Jesus uses the same “I AM” in Jn 10:7-11 twice for being a good shepherd, similar to David’s direct reference to Jehovah in Psalms 23:1-3…..But where’s the stoning?
In John 10. In the Solomon Porch, under the witness of the Pharisees, Jesus uses openly a “supposed blasphemy” I am for himself, but they just reacted by mocking him as a devilish madman. Where’s the stoning?
The I AM as shepherd:
Jn 10
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, *I AM* the door of the sheep.11 *I AM* the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
The Similarity with Jehovah, but somehow somewhat there’s no stoning:
Ps 23
1 The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name’s sake.
The Middle-Eastern debaters feel the need to judge a “person” that has nothing to do with the Torah, Gospels, Koran, and need to waste the time and efforts to give useless “attacks” on their rival’s intellect capacity, rather than analysing their opponent’s arguments, by words of mockery:
– you, coward.
– you, stupid donkey potato.
– running away from debating me.
– running away from my challenge of debating him.
– why don’t they take my challenge?
They bring down their opponent’s reputation with a direct insult of disrespect and humiliation, into their lower hateful character.